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    #46
    I ragazzi di Moto E Motards stanno facendo una mini comparativa stradale...

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      #47
      Moto et motards in Francia non e' ancora uscito.
      MCN nel regno unito ha pubblicato una comparativa che include la 1299 dove menzionano come la Bicilindrica sia meno distante dalla V4 di quello che si pensi, sebbene diano la palma chiaramente alla V4.

      Qui sotto riporto la interessante comparativa fatta da Advikaz sul forum UK (posso tradurre eventuali punti d' interesse se a qualcuno serve).

      In genere, come veterano della 1299 non nega la superiorita' a livello di telaio e facilita' di guida del V4, ma trova che la nuova moto manchi di carattere rispetto alla vecchia (si riferisce all' uso su strada, ovviamente). Parla male del comportamento quickshifter.

      Basato su quanto mi ricordo delle impressioni estratte da una breve prova che ho fatto a inizio Gennaio mi sembra di concordare con lui, eccetto non avrei detto che la performance del quickshifter fosse addirittura peggiore rispetto al 1299. C' e' chi e' d' accordo?

      Tra l' altro alla fine del thread ce' la prova di Moto Journal non riuscito a postare su un altro thread.



      https://www.ducatiforum.co.uk/thread...sceptic.57963/

      " I just want to start off by saying that I don?t buy in to ?launch fever?. It?ll probably be noted on this forum that I?ve been fairly on the fence and sceptical about the new v4.

      Anyway I?m a current 1299 owner and I have had the v4 for the day today (covering varied roads and a fair few miles) and just wanted to share my thoughts and observations of the bike, keeping to the facts and not too much opinion.

      I?ll start off with the motor, which at low revs sounds a bit like a monster onboard (no bad thing). Throttle input is better than the outgoing bike and more responsive. The motor spins up very quickly and has a smoother broader range to it.
      To me it feels like the v4 has more usable power for the road and is certainly far less of a handful.
      As for speed, anyone who says that this bike ?feels? ballistically quick clearly hasn?t ridden an s1000rr or 1299 at its full pottential. It is fast, very in fact however it doesn?t have the rush that some other litre bikes have. It?s very refined though and makes its power in a productive less dare I say it ?thrilling way?.. for me it feels like a 1299 & a s1000rr?s love child..
      I?m not slating the motor, it?s a good engine but it is very different from what we know of big Ducati?s which may put some off.
      I have to admit I did miss the lack of engine braking on corner entry!

      Electronics/interface: the dash is very good, a real step up as are the controls. The abs and t/c are very good and don?t come in too hard like they do on some bikes.

      Quickshifter/clutch/gearbox: The clutch biting point in my opinion is obsurdly far out, like the whole travel of the lever out, I thought I was trying to pull away in neutral ha! Also I have to say and I know this has already been mentioned by some journo?s but the quickshifter has got its issues. It?s okay right at the top end although not ultimately as crisp as a bmw?s or the 1299?s. However it does have this odd almost old school automatic type feeling to it sometimes where it feels like it?s cut the ignition and is waiting for the gear, it?s like it can?t keep up and it?s pretty frustrating to be frank, the motor goes flat and feels like you?re in the limiter... it also causes the bike to shimmy on corner exit which isn?t ideal. It?s not just this bike I was speaking to the duc tech?s in my dealer and they?ve admitted to me that all the bikes they?ve pdi?d are the same and they?ve noticed it sometimes on downshifts as well.. it?s worth noting though guys as you WILL notice it and it is annoying! Although it did get less of an issue the more I rode it, it was still very much there I just got used to it. For track I think you?ll be wanting to upgrade the shifter to an aftermarket jobby, it?ll piss you off! It got to the point where I tried clutch shifting. But that was jerky as fuck!
      It?s okay around town on a steady throttle but on acceleration it?ll do the above as well. It?s buttery smooth on a steady throttle.
      Also there?s a strange clattering when you shut the throttle, it?s a bit off putting, feels like chain slap but upsets the bike on corner entry (could just be this bike).

      Handling: sublime, very very easy to ride. Fills you with confidence even on a 5degree day it just inspires you to give it more and more, this bike could be a real licence looser as it rarely feels like you?re doing the speeds you are. However and unlike the old panigales you can actually ride this bike at lower speeds and it not do your head in! You can also hold a fairly good constant 50 or 70 on it which was a pain for me on other panigales.
      It is more refined than the outgoing bike and definitely a lot more planted and stable in pretty much all areas.
      The counter rotating crank isn?t a gimmick, it does work. If you put it in neutral and rev it, the bike visibly hunches at the front, this can be felt on fast roads as the front end is nowhere near as flighty. The front end is more planted all together and inspires more confidence than the previous bike which felt a bit vague, not ideal.


      Suspension: ride is fantastic for a sport bike. What do you expect for a top line set of ohlins ?

      Ergo?s: I?m 6ft3 and found it spacious, feels like the pegs are slightly higher, but nothing to cause any issues. Felt like less weight on my wrists. The new tank although I don?t like the look of it is a revelation in terms of grip, the old bikes tank was a bitch to grip, this is far better and really helps corner stability for the rider and under braking!
      The seat is flatter and more comfortable as well.

      Brakes: superb! Absolutely superb. The best I?ve ever sampled. But then the 1299?s where mega too. The v4 is far more stable under braking. I had the rear wheel off the ground frequently in to bends on the camber/Rye road and there was none of the arse twitch you got from the old bike.

      I?m no journalist, but this is what I?ve taken from the bike today, I don?t think in all I?d bother upgrading my 1299 just yet, I think the v4 will be a brilliant bike but has its issues which need addressing as it?s not the perfect finished product yet in my opinion.

      Riders will likely find themselves faster on the v4 as it?s simply far easier to ride. Far more forgiving and far less hard work.. for some this is a shame because if you?re like me you like a ?mans bike? that puts hairs on your chest? But as a tool there?s no doubt that this new v4 is definitely a step in the right direction in terms of dynamics and usability."

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          #49
          Originally posted by Inesperto View Post
          Sul sito ducati dicono 214cv.
          su motociclismo 216cv.
          nella lettera di domenicali 216cv.

          si pu? sapere quanti cavalli ha sta benedetta v4?
          ducati ha sempre avuto problemi a dichiarare il vero.
          Per tolleranze costruttive penso che i 216/214 siano nominali pertanto ? legittimo aspettarsi una piccola variazione . Penso eh .

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            #50
            Eh non ? che i motori son fatti con la fotocopiatrice, una differenza di due cavalli 200 p pi? che normale, di solito si ammette una tolleranza anche del 5 per cento. la potenza rilevata da Motociclismo ? presa alla ruota, azi al pneumatico, e convertita poi all'albero. Ducati la rileva col solo motore vincolato al banco. Il fatto che i valori quasi coincidano sta a significare che quanto dichiarato ? assolutamente reale.

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              #51
              Originally posted by Lele-R1-Crash View Post

              Per tolleranze costruttive penso che i 216/214 siano nominali pertanto ? legittimo aspettarsi una piccola variazione . Penso eh .
              io sapevo 215cv ... ma non dormir? la notte se mi rimane questa incertezza

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                #52
                Da sempre ducati e' la casa che dichiara dati molto vicini alla realt?; almeno pi? vicini alla realt? degli altri

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by bobber View Post
                  Da sempre ducati e' la casa che dichiara dati molto vicini alla realt?; almeno pi? vicini alla realt? degli altri
                  Ma quando mai...

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                    #54
                    da sempre

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by bobber View Post
                      da sempre
                      Da sempre ho avuto ducati e da sempre il dato dichiarato sin dal monster 900 ? stato sempre superiore alla realt?...
                      ps
                      Ho i capelli bianchi.

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                        #56
                        se leggi quello che ho scritto.......

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by bobber View Post
                          Da sempre ducati e' la casa che dichiara dati molto vicini alla realt?; almeno pi? vicini alla realt? degli altri
                          Questa ? davvero bella

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by bobber View Post
                            Da sempre ducati e' la casa che dichiara dati molto vicini alla realt?; almeno pi? vicini alla realt? degli altri
                            Dati di cosa? DI PESO... poi si sono cmq. adeguati al modo di valutarli dei giappi...

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by robbysca76 View Post
                              Ma quando mai...
                              Da quando tutti i concessionari hanno lo stesso banco prova !!!
                              Ed Elaborano il Banco per far "andare" di pi? le Moto
                              Cos? stampano la prova al banco e ti dicono: Se Leggi quello che c'? scritto ...
                              Allora rispondi: SI, c'? scritta una Cagata Colossale ... e ti Bannano

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                                MOTORRAD online - Video: Mit der neuen Ducati Panigale V4 erfolgt bei den hauseigenen Sportbikes die Wachabl?sung f?r den Zweizylinder. Zeit f?rs Aufeinandertreffen der Generationen und die Frage, ob der V4 zur neuen Ikone der Italiener werden kann.

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